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Blacksheep



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Location: Shropshire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 7:06 am    Post subject: Advice on replacing a building with a log cabin, or similar  Reply with quote    

Hi I am looking to replace a prefabricated asbestos bungalow, which I don't feel is safely habitable, with possibly a log cabin, double mobile home construction or similar. Aiming to keep costs as low as possible and building as simple as possible but do want to end up with pleasant living space (the current bungalow is within a nice wooded and grassland plot), removal of the existing building could cost up to 40k!
Any advice appreciated of good value sectional/mobile buildings welcome or any to avoid etc.
Hoping the planning should not be too difficult due to the existing dwelling but have absolutely no experience of dealing with planners. Although as the front edge of the bungalow is on the edge of a conservation area there could be some issues, also I have heard of problems with siting log cabins near to trees due to a perceived fire risk, so again any advice or thoughts on these issues welcomed too.
thanks

Behemoth



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Are you borrowing any money to do this? Nature of the building my affect the availability of a loan.

Blacksheep



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi Behemoth, that is a good point, I am hoping not to depending on the cost, I have inherited the plot and some have some limited inherited monies available, but need to keep costs to a minimum especially with the high cost of removing the existing building, hence exploring options and the viability of this one which should be the lowest cost. The cost for a replacement standard construction house would be prohibitive.
Also have remembered that the site probably lies within the curtilage of a listed building, so there could be further planning restrictions.

Bebo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If you're on the edge of a conservation area then the way the building looks will be important. Similarly with the listed building. If the planners think that you are going to have a negative impact on the setting of the listed building or the conservation area then you won't get consent. If the existing building is hideous, then that would give you a reasonable starting point for arguing that you are enhancing the setting of the listed building, but whatever you build will need to look better than what is there at present.

katie



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It's really important to work with the planners from the start. IIWY I would go for pre-planning advice and make it be known that you are flexible and will work with them.

gemini



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hi

Have you seen a programme on channel 4,re small spaces, there are a load of tips it is on Tuesday 9pm, and he has also a web site, last week it was about modules that cliptogether, as this farmer wanted to diversey.(sorry about spelling) but it is a really good programme,and it is not too complicated Gemini

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

a chat with planning as to what might be ok is a good idea

re cabin vs statics ,a new cabin 30k upwards ,2 used statics maybe 10 k including alterations ,footings ,etc etc

iirc a static becomes a building if it is fixed to the floor

Rob R



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

gemini wrote:
Hi

Have you seen a programme on channel 4,re small spaces, there are a load of tips it is on Tuesday 9pm, and he has also a web site, last week it was about modules that cliptogether, as this farmer wanted to diversey.(sorry about spelling) but it is a really good programme,and it is not too complicated Gemini


We've been watching that series too and it is really interesting, but also very strange how people build things - the pods were such a tight squeeze to get them out of the building & they could have got them out easily by taking some of the boarding above the door off but they decided to turn it around inside the building.

The this week the lady spent a load of money on a chasis that meant her little cabin was portable, then she proceded to build it outside and sheet it down when it rained.

Blacksheep wrote:
Hi I am looking to replace a prefabricated asbestos bungalow, which I don't feel is safely habitable, with possibly a log cabin, double mobile home construction or similar. Aiming to keep costs as low as possible and building as simple as possible but do want to end up with pleasant living space (the current bungalow is within a nice wooded and grassland plot), removal of the existing building could cost up to 40k!
Any advice appreciated of good value sectional/mobile buildings welcome or any to avoid etc.
Hoping the planning should not be too difficult due to the existing dwelling but have absolutely no experience of dealing with planners. Although as the front edge of the bungalow is on the edge of a conservation area there could be some issues, also I have heard of problems with siting log cabins near to trees due to a perceived fire risk, so again any advice or thoughts on these issues welcomed too.
thanks


We built a substantial 6 x 12m cabin for about what dpack said, 30k but using a lot of our own labour and five years ago. 110mm externals and 55mm internals. Speak to planning - it can always be painted grey to resemble asbestos.

onemanband



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Have you considered doing the demolition yourself ?
I'm not familiar with prefab asbestos houses - what type of asbestos or how much,
but if it's of any use I am in the process of clearing about 5-6 ton of asbestos corrugated sheeting from my plot - IRO 3000 for a contractor to remove and dispose ... or (as I am doing) IRO 900 for me to remove and put it in a large skip.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

What he said. ^^

Bebo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Having watched someone die of mesothelioma I wouldn't touch anything asbestos relanted with a bargepole.

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Bebo wrote:
Having watched someone die of mesothelioma I wouldn't touch anything asbestos relanted with a bargepole.

There is asbestos and there is asbestos. The stuff in the concrete boards is relatively safe.

Rob R



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 12 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hairyloon wrote:
Bebo wrote:
Having watched someone die of mesothelioma I wouldn't touch anything asbestos relanted with a bargepole.

There is asbestos and there is asbestos. The stuff in the concrete boards is relatively safe.


Especially if you don't cut or break it up and breath in the dust.

Blacksheep



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Location: Shropshire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 12 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Thanks for the replies all.
Yes I have been watching the small spaces series, plenty of interesting ideas there.
The asbestos bungalow is classed as a fixed building rather then temporary structure, it has been in place some 35 to 40years.
The asbestos panels are large floor to ceiling panels, they comprise the outside wall and the inside wall with a sandwich of asbestos insulation. Each individual panel will be quite heavy due to the size, unfortunately I don't think its something that we could manage to tackle ourselves, and once we get help it would need to be professional approved asbestos contractor I would presume. I am not sure what type the asbestos is, and the insulation would probably be more of a concern than the exterior/interior walls of the panels - probably need to get someone in to determine what we type we are dealing with, I assume the builder must have there could be blue asbestos for the indicative price he expected it would be.
Thanks for the indicative prices, again we are probably going to have to employ contractors to install a replacement building, 10k for log cabin statics, with 2 to form a building sounds good very good if it is in decent condition dpack, and would allow some updating internally if this was needed. I have seen one for sale in Ireland, quite a bit more as it is fairly new, this is what made me wonder about the mobile home type that come in 2 halves. Just need to source one a bit nearer... Interesting that it would be considered a static building with be fixed to the floor, that would probably be good as at some point in the future for it should make a super building plot, if the trees don't make it unviable, and I wouldn't want its planning designation to be changed to a mobile home only/temporary building.
We would be looking to let out the cabin/replacement structure so I am currently working with the Council's empty homes officer and waiting to hear back from him, I think he may do some of the liaison with the planning department, and I would like to have his ongoing involvement and help if at all possible, although unlikely that he would remain involved for a large scale rebuild etc. Its helpful to have the information here and I can see if a mobile cabin home is something that could be let through their scheme and assisted with.

Will keep scouring the internet for 2nd hand mobile home cabins preferably, if anyone knows of one for sale please let me know..
cheers

onemanband



Joined: 26 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 12 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yes you need to find out what planning will allow before you plan too far.
In what sense is the bungalow uninhabitable ?
If it's 40K to demolish the bungalow, is spending that money on re-cladding, re-roofing, refurbishing, extending etc a better option ?
It may be possible to leave the asbestos in place and build around or clad over it.
Refurbing or extending might also be easier to get thru planning

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