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sean
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 13 10:44 pm    Post subject: Bees are the new chickens...  Reply with quote    

omlet beehaus

mousjoos



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Stylish, & for a complete package, not that expensive

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mousjoos wrote:
Stylish, & for a complete package, not that expensive


Pretty expensive when compared with this or similar offers from other suppliers*

*can you tell that I used to watch Blue Peter?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Midland Spinner wrote:
mousjoos wrote:
Stylish, & for a complete package, not that expensive


Pretty expensive when compared with this or similar offers from other suppliers*

*can you tell that I used to watch Blue Peter?


I thought inexpensive for what seems like a self contained easy start type thing, but of course there are always cheaper options but then this I think is aimed at a particular (ie less rustic) "clientele"



& yes, you have Blue Peter written all over you

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mousjoos wrote:
Midland Spinner wrote:
mousjoos wrote:
Stylish, & for a complete package, not that expensive


Pretty expensive when compared with this or similar offers from other suppliers*

*can you tell that I used to watch Blue Peter?


I thought inexpensive for what seems like a self contained easy start type thing, but of course there are always cheaper options but then this I think is aimed at a particular (ie less rustic) "clientele"



& yes, you have Blue Peter written all over you


I thought that it looked expensive, plasticy, gimmicky and, from what I've seen of the specs, would be more fiddly to manage than a conventional hive. But, as has been discussed on here before, Downsizers are probably not the target audience for almost anything that anyone sells (unless it's tractors, yarn or grass-fed beef).

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Horizontal hives stress the bees less than a conventional vertical hive, but plastic will degrade with time, is non sustainable & non repairable.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 13 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
Horizontal hives stress the bees less than a conventional vertical hive, but plastic will degrade with time, is non sustainable & non repairable.


It's not horizontal though, it's two brood bodies side by side & it has mini supers to go on top. (Mini supers because they've made them half the size 'to make it easier to lift')

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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 13 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
Horizontal hives stress the bees less than a conventional vertical hive, but plastic will degrade with time, is non sustainable & non repairable.


Horizontal hives do not stress the bees less...or bees would surely nest in fallen trees and place their honey to the side. They do not.

But we agree on the plastic

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 13 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We had a look at these a few years ago because some members of the beekeepers association had either bought them or were thinking of buying. Look fine, if expensive, as long as everything is going well, but if you get EFB or AFB, there are some rubber bits that wouldn't be cleanable. Assume you can get some spray for the plastic, but otherwise anything that is normally sterilised by scorching would have to be disposed off.

mochasidamo



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 13 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

....and something rarely considered by the urban beekeeper: the cost of specialist removal and incineration as there will often be nowhere to build a firepit, Beehaus, tbh, or box...

dan1



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 13 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It's basically a plastic version of the Robin Dartington long deep hive (I think he helped/sold them the design). It has some of the advantages of HTBH and conventional hives.

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 13 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochasidamo wrote:
Tavascarow wrote:
Horizontal hives stress the bees less than a conventional vertical hive, but plastic will degrade with time, is non sustainable & non repairable.


Horizontal hives do not stress the bees less...or bees would surely nest in fallen trees and place their honey to the side. They do not.

But we agree on the plastic
It's easier to work a single storey hive & less stressful on the bees.
Having to remove all the upper boxes which contain most of their stores to get to the brood & queen definitely causes confusion & disorientation in the hive.
I would never work a vertical hive without smoke & veil, but the horizontal hives I've inspected (Kenyan TBH & Dartington) have been easy working from one end to the other, nearly always without any smoke or veil.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 13 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Tavascarow wrote:
mochasidamo wrote:
Tavascarow wrote:
Horizontal hives stress the bees less than a conventional vertical hive, but plastic will degrade with time, is non sustainable & non repairable.


Horizontal hives do not stress the bees less...or bees would surely nest in fallen trees and place their honey to the side. They do not.

But we agree on the plastic
It's easier to work a single storey hive & less stressful on the bees.
Having to remove all the upper boxes which contain most of their stores to get to the brood & queen definitely causes confusion & disorientation in the hive.
I would never work a vertical hive without smoke & veil, but the horizontal hives I've inspected (Kenyan TBH & Dartington) have been easy working from one end to the other, nearly always without any smoke or veil.


It's not a horizontal hive - there are supers - scroll down the link page, there's a diagram. It's the worst of both worlds.

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