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Mustang

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 13 10:53 pm Post subject: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority vote

The EU today failed to get a majority vote for banning neonicotinoid pesticides. The UK voted against it.

However, the EU have decided to go ahead anyway, and restrict the use of neonicotinoid pesticides from 1st December on crops that attract bees and other pollinators.

It also prohibits the sale/use of seeds coated with neonicotinoid pesticides. And there will be a ban on the sale of neonicotinoid pesticides to amateurs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22335520

Hairyloon

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 13 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

Mustang wrote:

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?

Mustang

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 13 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

Hairyloon wrote:

Mustang wrote:

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?

Link

Britain’s Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, has been criticised for failing to support a ban on three types of neonicotinoid pesticides which have been linked to a dramatic decline in the bee population.

Mr Paterson, who is backed by the Government’s new chief scientific adviser, the National Farmers’ Union, as well as some beekeepers, insists that there is insufficient evidence to support the two-year moratorium.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “As the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.

Mithril

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 6:59 am Post subject:
Fantastic news, isn't it. (I posted a thread yesterday but I think the title may have been too cryptic )

Hairyloon

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 7:31 am Post subject: Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

Mustang wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Mustang wrote:

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?

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A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: As the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.

That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Nick

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 7:36 am Post subject:
This is the Internet. Facts are irrelevant (such as your use of the word 'everyone').

Tavascarow

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 9:10 am Post subject:
It's excellent news & I'm not surprised the UK where against it. Recent UK governments have always pandered to big business rather than listening to sound evidence. DDT wasn't banned for use in the UK till the very early 1980s AFAIA. Long after the rest of Europe & even after the USA! So nothing new.

Rob R

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 9:42 am Post subject:
The question now becomes, what will they replace them with, back to OP's?

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 9:43 am Post subject:
What do neonics target? Is there a GM crop "suitable"? If there isn't, I bet that's where the research will go.

Rob R

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

Hairyloon wrote:

Mustang wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Mustang wrote:

The UK voted against it.

Which idiot made that decision?

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A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: As the proposal currently stands we could not support an outright ban.

That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Because the article got it wrong.

Rob R

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 8:38 pm Post subject:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

What do neonics target? Is there a GM crop "suitable"? If there isn't, I bet that's where the research will go.

The banned chemicals are quite general seed treatments, so without them we might see reduced yields or increased spraying. The main loser will be Oil Seed Rape, although maize & sugar beet also use them, but it depends how they define 'attractive to bees', as the ban only affects those plants which are [attractive].

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 8:43 pm Post subject:
Thanks. I would guess anything harvested before flowering would not be "attractive" so beets/roots in general? And wind pollinated crops of course... But then, what is the mechanism of the neonic toxicity? Would neonic-affected maize pollen drift on the breeze and still cause trouble I wonder?

ninat

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 10:09 pm Post subject:
They are also in some dog flea treatments.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: EU to ban neonicotinoid pesticides despite no majority v

Rob R wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

That article says we abstained. Why is everyone saying we voted against it?

Because the article got it wrong.

Can we get a confirmation on the facts? Did we vote against, or did we abstain?
I want to know if I need to find someone to have a froth at.

john of wessex

Joined: 18 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 13 10:15 pm Post subject:
My MP is David Heath. It seems he wasnt a happy bunny when interviewed on TV

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