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cab



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:23 am    Post subject: Necking city centre pigeons  Reply with quote    

I talked to one of the City Centre management team (a chap working for the council) a while back and asked him about the pigeons in the town centre. I described a couple of lame birds who could barely fly any more, with grotty, badly infected feet (one had a foot completely rotted off and had lost two toes on the other), and which were clearly suffering.

He agreed with my position that you don't leave an animal suffering. And he, like me, on coming across a dying animal wouldn't just walk by (how familiar this must be to most of us, I'm sure many of us have stumbled upon myxied rabbits blundering about and felt obliged to neck the poor thing). But he was also adamant that while its the right thing to do to pick up such a bird and neck it, you can't just do that in a town centre. You'll upset people. But he suggested that the right thing to do is to pick it up, take it in to a back alley or out of site of most people, and neck it there.

Now, the rights and wrongs of people being more offended by seeing an animal die than by seeing one in enormous pain aside... I dunno, am I the only one who spots this kind of thing? Am I the only person who thinks this matters? The state some of the city pigeons get in to is just awful. Purely from an animal welfare perspective, why does no one seem to notice, or if they do, why do so many people seem able to walk by and ignore that?

(edited for spolling)

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Bernie66



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You should do the right thing by the animal/bird, if you have time you can attempt to enlighten the passerby who does not understand but I feel that you would be wasting your time.
It's about what is "morally" right not what feels "nice"

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Necking city centre pigeons Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
why does no one seem to notice, or if they do, why do so many people seem able to walk by and ignore that?


Because if they thought about it they might have to face up to certain realities about nature, life and death, and killing, that they prefer not to think about.

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Necking city centre pigeons Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
cab wrote:
why does no one seem to notice, or if they do, why do so many people seem able to walk by and ignore that?


Because if they thought about it they might have to face up to certain realities about nature, life and death, and killing, that they prefer not to think about.

That;s more eloquently put than me but the same sentiment

sally_in_wales
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I vaguely remember a post by someone here a couple of years back who had dealt with a dying pigeon, but who got into trouble for being spotted disposing of it. I can't recall the exact circumstances, but its possible that this is a potential difficulty as well, are you 'allowed' to put a diseased dead bird into a public litter bin, which resumably would be the most likely option available in a city centre

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

sally_in_wales wrote:
I vaguely remember a post by someone here a couple of years back who had dealt with a dying pigeon, but who got into trouble for being spotted disposing of it. I can't recall the exact circumstances, but its possible that this is a potential difficulty as well, are you 'allowed' to put a diseased dead bird into a public litter bin, which resumably would be the most likely option available in a city centre


Actually the chap asked me not to dispose of the bodies in the litter bins, what with their collection not being risk assessed. Fair enough, I suppose.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i take action in such circumstances ,the problem posted was being busted for burying it in a flowerbed (littering)rather than using a bin

last one i grabbed turned out to be a moulting racer who grew new feathers and was sent on his way after a month but i have culled quite a few sickly ones

wash your hands afterwards as ferals carry plenty of nasty bugs

i have never had a problem with anyone objecting but that might be folk not wishing to confront me rather than the principal of the thing .

a lot of peeps have an odd idea of life and death and i can see why a private dispatch is best

toggle



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i'ts usually portrayed as 'what if a child saw?', but most kids don't have the hangups that most adults do.

mochyn



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

And I REALLY hope they're not 'for the pot'!

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

toggle wrote:
i'ts usually portrayed as 'what if a child saw?'


It would offer an excellent opportunity for curious young minds to be stimulated with a whole raft of things to think about.

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
And I REALLY hope they're not 'for the pot'!


I draw the line at animals dying of anything remotely like gangrene

toggle



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
toggle wrote:
i'ts usually portrayed as 'what if a child saw?'


It would offer an excellent opportunity for curious young minds to be stimulated with a whole raft of things to think about.


kids can do that without demonstrations.

watching a kid dissect cat-kill with a stick makes me feel a bit green

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

cab wrote:
mochyn wrote:
And I REALLY hope they're not 'for the pot'!

I draw the line at animals dying of anything remotely like gangrene

Then again, if you can successfully establish the principal of grabbing them off the street, why not grab a healthy one?

toggle



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

is there any such thing as a healthy feral pigeon?

Hairyloon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 10 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

toggle wrote:
is there any such thing as a healthy feral pigeon?

What is it that makes them intrinsically unhealthy?
Apart from the diet of discarded McDonalds.

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