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cab



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Legion wrote:
No it isnt sean, the start of my post cleary says what is happening to the site where they sprayed the 'sludge' a couple of years ago. I was horrified they even allowed it, but not suprised with the results. We did tests on this kind of thing over 15 years ago in yorkshire - though they were never confirmed, I had living ( well sort of ) proof at the time, but it was just dismissed, and nothing in my books is a co-incidence, anyhow you read the result.


So where do you propose that the sludge should go? Should it merely disappear somehow? Should it be dumped at sea? What do you propose?

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The fish are a different matter, look at the suspected putbreak on south uist? where has all their waste been going?was the same lorry used to pick up waste from other fish farms - were uncleaned tubs left - has the waste passed though any water couses where they could drip?..more importantly is anyone looking into it? and where has this disease come from , and how?...so yes, I arent well pleased that it drives right past my door, up to 24 tons at a time on a huge articulated lorry, and is then spred on fields that I used to walk my dogs near..........but we'll see, we'll see!!


Again, what do you propose should happen to the waste?

Legion



Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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Location: Western isles, Scotland
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

As we have no sewerage treatment plant as such up here, leave the stuff where it was in the first place - same with the fish - they used to send them abroad, why not now? Waste is the problem or by product of an industry its thats industries responsibility - not turn the islands land into a dumping ground for god knows what in the future...but , hey, what do I care its not on my land.......

sean
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Legion, sorry misread your original post.

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Legion wrote:
As we have no sewerage treatment plant as such up here, leave the stuff where it was in the first place - same with the fish - they used to send them abroad, why not now? Waste is the problem or by product of an industry its thats industries responsibility - not turn the islands land into a dumping ground for god knows what in the future...but , hey, what do I care its not on my land.......


Sending it abroad doesn't solve the problem. It moves it.

And yes, for a lot of waste it's the responsibility of the Industry producing it to rid themselves of it. In this case they're spreading it on the land and as far as they're concerned it's safe to do so. You have not demonstrated otherwise.

Legion



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

For gods sake cab , calm down youll bust a blood vessel - I just point out these things - like the guga and wind farms - showing politics and the guardians of the countryside at their very worst - I havent even moved on to the hedgehogs and the mink yet, or the seals , so take a chill pill - or better still put the kettle on, cos, theres nowt either you nor me can do about it, just bring to light the worst possible scenario - which usually happens.......so let it, but never fail to notice or bring it to the attention of others!! now is it your turn for the biscuits - or is essex boy about?, he's good for a choccie hobnob at times like these.......

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



Just about to have my sarnie

Legion



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Jeez, tahir, felt the water going particularly chilly there..... all looks better after a good brew!! or sarnie (pieces up here) as the case maybe.....whatever

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Legion wrote:
For gods sake cab , calm down youll bust a blood vessel


I am calm, thank you.

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- I just point out these things - like the guga and wind farms - showing politics and the guardians of the countryside at their very worst - I havent even moved on to the hedgehogs and the mink yet, or the seals , so take a chill pill


One topic at a time, eh?

You've made some claims about something being handled wrongly. Would you address the questions put to you on the subject of those claims, please?

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- or better still put the kettle on, cos, theres nowt either you nor me can do about it, just bring to light the worst possible scenario - which usually happens.......so let it, but never fail to notice or bring it to the attention of others!! now is it your turn for the biscuits - or is essex boy about?, he's good for a choccie hobnob at times like these.......


You're dodging the questions put to you. Your perogative, of course. But why are you doing it? You've made a set of claims that I presume you believe in. Therefore I presume you have information to back them up, or a better solution to what you currently perceive as a problem (other than the one you've suggested so far, which is to cart the waste of so as to make it someone elses problem).

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ahhh Cab, spoiling for a good debate!

I'll have to re-read this article, put my metaphorical wellies on and wade in.

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Shouldn't you be putting your waders on if you're going to wade in?

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

wellies scanned better.

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It'd be really good if we could get someone involved in aquaculture involved. I've always had qulams about it, but mostly gut instinct not fact based

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Tahir wrote:
It'd be really good if we could get someone involved in aquaculture involved. I've always had qulams about it, but mostly gut instinct not fact based


Years ago, I was forced to learn a hell of a lot more about aquaculture than I ever would have chosen. Best not to ask.

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 04 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

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But what if the current bycatches that are thrown back dea into the sea were used for aquaculture?



?? better to say what if they were used for human consumption in the first place

Legion



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Location: Western isles, Scotland
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 04 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

C',om cab, you know as well as we all do, the powers that be only employ yes men!! look at the mink over £3,500 cost per mink caught. But they did use politically correct methods - or so they say (we know different and have photos to prove) they should have had two teams, one with their scientific methods, the other using traditional location and dispatch methods - to compare the results. How can comparisons be made when there aint none?

As for what we am going to do - nowt!! I'll just bring it to your attention, sit back - as we always do- and watch it happen.....

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