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lorrayne



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 2:10 pm    Post subject: Towing rulesand regs Reply with quote
    

Would there be any reason why I couldn't tow one of these in the UK would there ?

https://www.tinyhousetalk.com/tumbleweed-fencl-tiny-house-on-a-trailer-for-sale/

RichardW



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

You will need a tow vehicle that is capable of towing about 5000kg+ by the time you have put your stuff in it. So that rules out all cars, pickups & vans. It also rules out 7500kg lorries if you have a pre 97 licence as you are limited to about 8250kg train weight.


So that leaves people with a proper lorry & lorry licence (hgv / lgv) only.

lorrayne



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thank you Richard

three ravens



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

it all depends on the weight, it says its bolted to a 9000lb trailer but dosn't give an unladened weight for the compleate unit. some 4x4 can tow upto 3.5 ton with normal brakes or 4 ton with coupled brakes but the best way would be to put it on a mini 5th wheel call it a camper,its a grey area no vehicle weight limits and a normal mot on a car licence

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Tow it with a tractor on a car license, sorted

NorthernMonkeyGirl



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

See, I'm just seeing "big, heavy, not aerodynamic"

three ravens



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

if your not in a hurry go with robs idea, cheap tax & insurance and you can run it on red diesel !!!

Rob R



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 12 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

You can't run it on red, unless you pay the extra duty, only certain uses are ok on red and I am pretty sure this isn't one that you'd get away with.

stumbling goat



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 12 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Why would you need an LGV/HGV category on your licence?

sg

RichardW



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 12 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Because you cant have a max train plated weight of over 8250kg on a car licence even with a pre 97 or post 97 with trailer test.

As there are no sub 3250 cars that can legally tow 5000kg trailers you will need a HGV/LGV licence.

Even if the trailer & house do not weigh the full amount the trailer will still be plated at 9000lb which is still over the 4000kg (4090kg) you can do with a Landrover (the only ones that I know can do 4000kg) with active brakes.

You could get the trailer max weight reduced if the house part & contents are not to heavy.

stumbling goat



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 12 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I thought that was only if you carried goods for hire or reward?

Otherwise it becomes a heavy motor vehicle. I seem to recall an issue with some showmen who did not require an HGV category on a licence. I will need to check, it has been a while since I read up on it.

Similarly with mobile cranes.

sg

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 12 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://www.transportsfriend.org/hours/hgv.html

RichardW



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 12 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The most you can have on a car licence (excluding tractors, cranes ect) is 7500kg for pre 97 & 8250kg inc trailer, post 97 cat B licence its 3500kg plus 750kg trailer or 3500kg inc trailer if trailer is over 750kg.


Nick that link is just about tacho & driver hours not what you can & cant drive of different licences.

Showmans is a special case.

If you took your c1+e after 97 you can drive a combination that is up to 12000kg.

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 12 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Sorry, cnp the wrong link! Yeah, there's a showman's exemption for various bits. Not entirely sure it passes as a big top. Fun House, maybe?

County4x4



Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 12 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Tricky without knowing the weight of the unit AND the dimensions. The 9000lb referred to is likely to be the max weight the trailer can run at - which is just over 4 tonnes. That doesn't mean of course that the house is going to weigh that much - but really I'd have expected the manufacturer to give some more details on that sort of thing. Why not drop them a line and ask?

Andy

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