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Woo



Joined: 19 Sep 2011
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Location: Mayenne, Pays de Loire
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 13 8:26 pm    Post subject: dogs and bitches Reply with quote
    

Were we live is on the edge, literally, of a forest. it is owned by the next commune to ours. in the centre is a holiday complex of chalets, managed by a couple who live there.
they have a retriever bitch. she is popular with my dog Woody, who is enthusiastic and friendly. never nasty, all tail wagging harldy any woofing.
i walk woody daily, off the lead, avoiding the habitatiion out of respect to the occupiers. he would often be drawn to the sounds of people playing and the dog woofing so i avoid that route now.
last week we came across the man with their dog in the woods,she ran off when she saw woody, who gave chase. he was back to my calling after about 2 minutes, (he is a dog not a saint)
today when we went out he ran into the centre courtyard to find his barking friend, when we retrieved him, the lady was, not cross but off with us. apart from when they met in the woods he hasnt been there for weeks. any get to the point woo!
the bitch is on heat! off lead and all over woody and the owner seemed to think my dog should be kept on the lead all the time! i have come across a few dog owners with bitches who feel the same and i wondered what you all think?
i am unwilling to get him done for the sake of it as he has a great temprement, especilly with my children.

Pel



Joined: 29 Mar 2008
Posts: 2366
Location: Sennybridge
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 13 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

When the bitches are on heat here they are kept on the lead, or you dont see them during the "catching" stage. Bertie has a best friend called siany, but the owners always let my parents know when she is on heat as she loves bertie even more and he rather fancies her too. I think if your dog has a play friend, then both should be on leads, then can still walk together.. if not then I think the bitch's owner should keep her on lead and under stricter control, as they know she is on heat.. I've no idea how they expect stranger to know.

Lorrainelovesplants



Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Posts: 6521
Location: Dordogne
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 13 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

interesting post - Lily is soon to come into her first season and im at a bit of a loss to know what to expect.
Ive read the books and they say anytime from 5 months to 7 months and to expect her to become 'real friendly'. Ben, our geriatric retreiver has been neutered a long time ago, but would the close proximity of a young keen bitch interest him at all?

Lily is always walked on a lead, but is let run in our walled and fenced garden.

Nicky cigreen



Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 9510
Location: Devon, uk
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 13 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I'd have thought the owners of the bitch ought to take some responsibility - unless it is the norm for dogs to be neutered there?

NorthernMonkeyGirl



Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Location: Peeping over your shoulder
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 13 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

When my bitch is in heat she is walked on lead and only let off if I can see all around that we are alone - she has good recall. I also end up staring at dog's arses looking for testicles
That part is my responsibility; but I think it's fair that owners of entire dogs are also aware and able to recall their dogs if needed. But that applies to every other dog owner too?

joanne



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 7100
Location: Morecambe, Lancashire
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 13 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It's the owner of the bitch's responsibility to make sure she can't get anywhere where there might be intact dogs - The dogs will only do what comes naturally and it's completely unfair to expect anything less

It's obvious when a bitch comes on heat as you get spotting and it's easy to manage although even a very old entire dog might get up to naughty things, so you may need to separate them Lorraine

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43771
Location: yes
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 13 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

the ladydog's owner is responsible for chastity and disruption issues if they take it out imho ,my girls get confinement until safe and not upsetting for those dogs who are not going to father her pups.

with my ladies there have been no mistakes but my yellow boyhound was rather keen on improving genetic lines whenever he could,if a girl was ready he was as well even if it involved escape and evasion before a stealth entry(lock your windows if your girl is calling) , a return with a grin was the usual outcome .a ready girl off the lead might be willing or she might be surprised by his enthusiasm but the result was often the same .

his brother was less direct (stealth and persistence)but equally successful,his grandmother scaled 6 garden fences to get to her beau,his mother collected a beach pack and watched them until she chose but that was sort off supervised and permitted by several owners

physical separation at such times for chastity or to allow a deliberate mating is vital and going for an off lead walk with ready girl is very silly

leggy



Joined: 16 Jan 2009
Posts: 340
Location: Monmouth
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 13 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

When I had my Lurcher bitch,she never left the garden when she was in season.
I would make sure she had some big meaty bones to occupy her.
I've met someone walking their dog in broad daylight with the rear end splattered in blood,could never see the point of freaking out when a entire male dog comes near,it's the bitches owners responsibility to ensure their dog doesn't get caught so why walk it in public ?

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43771
Location: yes
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 13 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

another issue is that in the approach of oestrus many get rather aggressive to other girls who they would usually be quite chummy with, much like our friend the bejenji yesterday who surprised ki with a snarl.

earthmamma



Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Posts: 411
Location: West Wiltshire
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 13 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I never walk my bitch when she is in season. She just has to make do with the garden. In my opinion it is upto the bitches owner to take precautions, that's why I don't take her out.

Woo



Joined: 19 Sep 2011
Posts: 787
Location: Mayenne, Pays de Loire
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 13 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

and today they turned up with a vet bill and a note in english, on the vets headed paper saying i was legally responsible for clearing an unwanted pregnnacy!

joanne



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 7100
Location: Morecambe, Lancashire
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 13 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

And I would be telling them that they can stick the bill where the sun doesn't shine - it's their responsibility to ensure that their bitch can't get out and get access to other dogs!

If she was free roaming, how do they know it's your dog that's responsible anyway?

NorthernMonkeyGirl



Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Location: Peeping over your shoulder
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 13 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

joanne wrote:

If she was free roaming, how do they know it's your dog that's responsible anyway?


Bingo.

yummersetter



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Posts: 3241
Location: Somerset
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 13 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

There's no mention of a tie in your story. Her being all over him is unlikely to lead to puppies. Him being all over her, for 20-30 minutes might.

Woo



Joined: 19 Sep 2011
Posts: 787
Location: Mayenne, Pays de Loire
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 13 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

They said he 'covered' her, he was out of my sight for 2 minutes, he had to run across the chalet area and find her, do his buisness and be escorted off the area by the other dogs owner in that time.
i have no experiance of dogs 'buisness'.
he didnt roll over and go to sleep thats for sure!
she was still chasing him when we tried to walk home in fact i had to take her back on his lead.
its a publically owned holiday complex, dogs welcome. not one word of must be kept on a lead. he didnt go into their house to find her.
i am not the only person who use the wood to walk their dog.
i dont want to fall out with them they are neighbours, but i dont want to taken for a ride either. 171 is being requested.

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