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dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 14 3:54 pm Post subject:

just to complicate matters there are several dozen types of oak and they can have quite varied properties between types and even within one type depending on age ,heart or sapwood,seasoning etc etc

i just had a look online for a guide to identification of split firewood and failed to find anything useful

it does matter as different woods are best used in different ways ,a list of what to do with what is not much good unless one can id what is in the pile

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 14 8:38 am Post subject:

I have trouble identifying split firewood, and we sell it! I have to check with husband and son if any is non-standard.

Start with any bark on the log then look at the colour and check the weight of the seasoned log. I would quality any of the following with the word 'usually'. Beech is smooth, fairly heavy and brownish wood. Ash can have quite heavily furrowed bark, although young trees are smoother, bark grey, lightweight, often white wood. Sycamore bark is smooth, wood white, not as light weight as ash. Oak is dark wood, heavily furrowed bark and very heavy. Just a few to be getting on with.

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 14 8:55 am Post subject:

I'm not much good at identifying live trees, haven't a hope with split logs! Short term problem, as I have ash, oak and willow to fell (and label) and that should cater nicely for my needs. At the moment I'd settle for not dripping wet and caked in mud, as the last lot was. So glad I only bought a sack and not a full load (however it's measured!)

Thanks for the coal tip, Sean. Worked perfectly (except now I am sweltering! Still, it's too late to mend a roof in the rain)

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: East Midlands

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 14 11:11 pm Post subject:

At last, dry seasoned wood. A whole cubic metre of it. Mostly 4 year old oak, so I'm told. Dumped on the patio at the moment, as the usual crises prevented me knocking up a pallet wood store. It's burning so nicely I'm thinking of ordering another couple of cubic metres to store at the field (no space for more here, sadly) as he said he didn't have a lot left, but would have plenty of sycamore and beech for Christmas which is when I think I will run out.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15694

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 14 9:09 am Post subject:
Whatever it is, make sure you get your order in quickly WW. We have people phoning us up now expecting virtually instant delivery. Afraid it isn't happening.

Chickpea

Joined: 05 Nov 2004
Posts: 208
Location: Buckinghamshire

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 14 12:49 pm Post subject:
Well, here us the finished item, a heavy duty rustic log store!

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 14 2:39 pm Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

Whatever it is, make sure you get your order in quickly WW. We have people phoning us up now expecting virtually instant delivery. Afraid it isn't happening.

I did have virtually instant delivery, from a very nice man. I may phone and see if he has any more - I know he had limited oak, but was expecting sycamore and beech ready after Christmas. I like to oak, though so I might see if I can either reserve some, or get it delivered to the paddock (a pain, but worth it for decent wood)

The wood store looks great. I chickened out and bought mine - building things is not really my forte and sick children meant I had less time than I'd hope. In the meantime, the wood is getting rained on!

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 14 10:56 pm Post subject:
if you buy by volume oak is a good bet

Chickpea

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Location: Buckinghamshire

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 10:58 am Post subject:
I have found that the seasoned oak in my load is exceptionally good, it's very dry, and burns so cleanly, and a single log lasts for over an hour on open and will have a gently rolling flame for a couple of hours or more with just a bit of top closing down. My baby AGA is very, very efficient! I'm really pleased with it.

Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 5267
Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 11:37 am Post subject:
My parents cut an ash down in the summer and are burning it on their open fire already. :rolls eyes:

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4567
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 12:39 pm Post subject:

Marionb wrote:

My parents cut an ash down in the summer and are burning it on their open fire already. :rolls eyes:

Ash is the only wood that burns equally good fresh or seasoned,
Your Dad is a wise one.

Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 12:42 pm Post subject:

Ty Gwyn wrote:

Marionb wrote:

My parents cut an ash down in the summer and are burning it on their open fire already.

Ash is the only wood that burns equally good fresh or seasoned,
Your Dad is a wise one.

Really? Doesnt it line the chimney with tar or something?

I guess I'd better shut up then lol

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 5:30 pm Post subject:

Burning ash green seems to be a bit of a myth caused by those old poems about firewood.

The moisture content is the most important aspect of firewood and green ash will still have a high moisture content, less than some green woods but similar to others.

Burning ash green will still mean much of the energy is lost burning off the water and I would expect it to cause problems in the chimney.

No doubt some will argue with that but one thing I doubt anyone would argue is ash is better burnt seasoned.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 7:38 pm Post subject:
The thing with Ash is,it does`nt have much of a moisture content even in full summer,branches will crack like carrots when pulled on, And when cut,dries out very quickly and cracks/splits.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 14 8:44 pm Post subject:

I think it may have a relative low moisture content when green but similar to some other woods and still around 40%-45% compared to around 20% when seasoned. If I remember I'll get my moisture meter out when I next fell some.

It does split very easy which is probably one of the reasons why it's popular and I did read somewhere in may have substances that burn more readily but it should still be seasoned.

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