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Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 17 7:06 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

That experience was all too common in the 60s and 70s Dpack. A combination of cowboy builders and unsafe DIYers. Doing up our first house taught us a lot about the standards of building in the 1870s too, and it wasn't too good then. The damp course was wrongly installed, there were holes in the fire wall between us and the next house, and the internal walls gave the impression it was an afternoon job after imbibing at the pub at the end of the block over lunch time.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 17 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

now 6 cubic meters of stuff is in a skip we can get back in the kitchen

it looks like the hearth space can be expanded to give room for a cooker and ventilation

the original pantry can be returned to service with a bit more ventilation and sensible shelving/baskets etc

the door to the existing bathroom is rotten so putting the replacement in a more usable position makes sense

with the intended position of the door from kitchen to hallway it looks like it will make a decent if compact kitchen space with a step in pantry/store cupboard

the pantry has a quarry tile floor, it looks as though it might extend over the whole kitchen under the rubberoid screed and very worn lino/glue combo surface.
even if it does it might be too uneven to use although the slope might be in the screed/lino rather than the actual floor structure
however it turns out it is probably easier to remove the screed and lino rather than get the lino off the screed .

Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 17 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Will be lovely if you do have a good quarry tiled floor under there. Sounds like good progress.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 17 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

yesterdays meeting with the chap from building control was useful.

we agree on causes and remedies for the state of the front elevation brickwork, sorting yard drainage/floor ventilation, the planned arrangements of stair support/ door frames for the kitchen etc and the approved window specs cover those proposed.

he was also helpful with general advice re paperwork and a possible expansion into the loft space at some time.

the kitchen fire place is partially opened up giving a decent sized hole without structural alterations, a wider hole would be expensive but a few bricks higher would be a few hundred quid.
there is a bit more that can be easily and safely removed and imho the space available from that is usable if properly planned into the new kitchen layout.
sorry about the soot

Mistress Rose

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 17 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Old chimneys always seem to have soot. No doubt you have also found a good bit of dust above ceilings and general debris in 'cavity' walls. We took out all the old iron gas pipes from our first house and amassed quite a collection. It had been lit by gas at some point in its existence, possibly from the beginning.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 17 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

a little time has passed and things are progressing.
although these reports are specific to this job i hope they serve as an example of a "how to" for the right ways to go about major refurb projects that can be applied to those undertaken by any of us.

my spark chums are well into first fix and should have most of that done by next weekend. layout for leccy established with the necessary bells and whistles such as heat/smoke detectors ,extractors etc .
note do you want a electric shower , if so we need to add a supply for it.

the windows are ordered from a firm who know how to measure and put in a very good price of £4.2k for 8 decent windows.
note put date on timetable as we need wet trades finished first.

the roofing chap is coming this week to sort chimney caps for 4 ,gable pointing,chimney pointing flashings and gullies along with a few slates and any odds n ends that need fixing on high such as gutter joints and popping the tv aerial/phone wires into the roof void.
note take rods and sweep em tomorrow.

the gas man will be quoting for new CH rather than just a new boiler. the existing was horrible in both layout and installation quality. he can also quote for all domestic plumbing

most of the floorboards are up for leccy and woodworm and inspection of timberwork ,structure etc, all is well with joists and etcs.
there will be a fair bit of 2nd/3rd fix carpentry ( woorms ate my skirtings etc ) but that sort of stuff is easy.

note i will get the rest of the boards up this week and drill a few holes for the sparks

note dont worry about the holes in the joists ,i will plate them as required once 1st fix wires and pipes are in , we can reuse quite a few pipe notches and wont need many new ones as the new pipe runs will go in sensible directions ( unlike the abomination of plumbing under the floors and up the walls )

the pantry walls are in the yard along with most of the plaster/render that needs to be off for the damp proofing, the old CH system is mostly out but there are a few more bits to dump.
most of the wormy wood is ready to go ,the rest will follow as it gets found and ripped out

the chimney in the kitchen is coming down this week ,note need to hire angle grinder with diamond disc to make a tidy job. as it is relatively simple and i will just do it getting the extra space in the kitchen will only cost £60 for an extra week on the breaker and a grinder + about half a big skip to lose the rubble.
this gives a rectangular kitchen about 16 ft by 9 ft which is a pretty useful size and shape

note we need to chase up bricky re front elevation and remedials to bomb damage as we need them in asap ie before damp man and wet trades.

we need to extract the staircase before damp man and reinstall either during or very soon after he finishes. spare man available but needs booking we also need materials for stairs/new support system on site

understairs floor needs examination with a distinct possibility we need to rag it out and do a proper concrete job

note ask if damp man's wet trades chaps will do a few extras and perhaps do whole house skim plaster. if not we need a spread, i could do it but i would rather not if i can avoid it.

note i need to remember to cut concrete in yard while i have grinder and breaker ready to dig a bit and fit snorkel air bricks and gully system whenever we get chance

note we have at least a 8 cu m skip's worth outside at the mo and i will add about another 4 cu m this week so a skip on friday aft/sat am is needed before we run out of space.

overall things are going well but we need to :
chase bricky so as we can get the forms for building control submitted ( note i can do the bomb damage stuff but i don't lay pretty bricks )
we need to put dates for wet trades and windows on calender so as to coordinate other tasks.
you need to decide on bathroom layout with gassy man

note in the morning first task is order grinder and find out when my hatchet saw is back from hospital ( it made a very nasty noise and stopped reciprocating but they recon they can mend it asap )

i have probably missed a few things off this report but we will get to them as and when.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

that half ton of plaster we hauled out of the basement last weekend doesn't seem so bad any more!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

By "wet trades", you mean plumber, plasterer...literally anything messy/liquidy?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

in this example wet trades means brickwork, damp proof render and plastering which are wet and messy ( in another context it might mean something very different this is not the place to discuss the Steele dossier )

thinking of brickwork the remedial stuff to the rotten lintel/ front elevation and bomb damage to the party wall/front elevation need fixing before the 23rd oct and the quote we just got seems rather high.
this mornings job is to seek alternative quotes from competent folk before we give somebody what is imho a sweet little job.
if i had the tower and props in a lock up, a strong lad and a half decent brick layer on site i would just do it but i've not been kitted up for the brickwork since the 90's, the bomb damage stuff i could do easily (and might have to if i cant improve the price we have so far.)

grrrr what a way to start a monday, that's building works hey ho .


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

the extremely good builder who did tt's loft conversion is popping over to site 2 pm to have a look at the remedial brickwork jobs

the chaps mending my demolition saw are going to call back with a triage report this aft, grinder will arrive today here or there so things are getting back on track.

tis monday again but it has become a normal monday for this sort of thing

wellington womble

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I am rapidly going off houses. I can't get a flipping builder until April to do about a fortnight's work and building control won't come out and sign it off anyway. Bloody house.

Your sounds a lot more productive, Dpack.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 17 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

sort of ,i did manage to get a really good builder round today to quote for some of the brickwork stuff and he can do it in the timeslot required.
the one who took 10 days to quote put in a "i dont really want the job" price and didnt quote to the specs given so he ain't working on this

the render is nearly all off but i still need to demolish a chimney (from the top) and get some more floorboards up and drill some holes for the sparks and and and and over the next few days.

my saw is dead, just after i bought it two new batteries and the "new" ex display model one to replace it was only $84 including shipping but might arrive between the 4th and 16th oct which is a bit late as i need one now.

at least i have use of a beasty 110v disc cutter to go with the breaker so i can get on with quite a few things.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 17 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

a while has passed and quite a bit has been done

tanking and render for damp done
most render done ie the wall that used to have a chimney on it
some render to do. eg over the signed off ties for the bomb damage ,various making good patches and maybe a few bits of flattering

stairs mended, refitted and no longer supported by a few rather tired and nervous woodworm they now sit fastened with some rather over engineered timber and hardware to a 6" concrete slab with full dpm and a deep hardcore base .
quite a bit of concrete was shoved into voids under the original hall floor with a big stick which might help a bit with stabilising old and new

the structural timber across the hallway under the stairs will form the core of a rather complex combo of stair support, door frame top , a stair width wall top and a place to attach various ,aligned, wonky and slopey bits of wood and plaster, all at slightly different angles, on both sides of the new kitchen door wall stairs junction

by removing a bit of clutter( well a chimney and some walls and a few odds and ends) from the kitchen was wise, it now has at least twice the useful space, it looks nicer, will make a proper centre of the home kitchen and as a bonus probably has a fairly full set of original quarry tiles( my preference would be refloor with proper concrete etc but a mix and match wonky floor can look ace and work ok )

most windows in, now the front lintels, arch and brickwork are sorted the last two can go in on tuesday then building control will sign em off to go with the other ones as done and fine.
kitchen window now on a new sill at the proper height for a kitchen sink rather than creating a fly moat as the previous one did.

much of the electrics are done in terms of time but we need to get them moving on some lights and getting first/2nd fix complete asap

collectively we have removed about 25 cu M of skipable stuff and attached a bit under 7000 kg of materials if thi counts the water in the wet trades mixes along with moving stuff from place to place a lot of lifting etc is now done.
playing about with sticks, plaster and fittings is much more civilised but i do have a liking for using demolition tools and first fix mending methods to provide the bones for a refurb.

i have forgotten some stuff that is done and about 30 items that need doing next so more news will follow , it has been rather nice taking it easy and doing "normal" stuff for a few days but i have almost recovered from first fix much like the house has and so it is time to get the prewinterval/ weather critical stuff done and be ready for a burst of 2nd/3rd fix stuff in january

ps the firm that did the remedial brickwork to the front are ace, having a chat with their pals who spread might be a good option.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 17 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

looking forward to photos...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 17 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

next time im there i will do some "mid term "ones.

ta for the reminder, i have some before and some during rip out but now would be good

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