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jema
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 20 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ouch!

No photos today as dad's taxi service was in operation. I screwed the deck down, but that's not exactly a photo op.
Key realisation is where there's concrete there needs to be bulk bags of ballast and deliveries are getting further and further down the drive due to other bulk bags.
Time to concentrate on using them up I think.
Drop is I reckon about 2.5m.
I still think stability is better than you would expect, but we can all agree the game needs to be upped at this point.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 20 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

a concrete pump can deliver up several floors or along by 100m or so quite easily

bags and a mixer/barrow are ok for small stuff a few hundred kg at a go, if you start to get to quantities by cubic meters or tons and an awkward landscape for access a bulk delivery and a pump make sense

if you do decide full retaining walls are needed, getting the design and shuttering right is vital but pumping and vibro-poking will be quick, it needs to be as some mixes only have a short open time to give a decent result

2.5m is quite a drop and as it is the edge of a built-up platform it probably is as steep as it looks

the thing that worries me a bit is not the surface slipping down that slope but the entire thing slumping and disrupting everything on the top

the way that wall has broken its back indicates that has happened, but it may still be ongoing a little at a time as the "heap" shuffles itself to a more stable shape

a bucket moulded sandcastle in the rain will demonstrate what i mean quite quickly, piles of earth and rubble can take a bit longer to find their levels but unless held in place they will eventually

the house seems to be on what was the original natural edge but most of the garden was built up onto that edge (perhaps in the hope of an extra house or perhaps just to get rid of the spoil from foundation cuts, broken bricks, builders rubbish etc

at a professional guess it was dropped with a dumper truck and maybe shaped a bit with a machine (but not retained or properly compacted )and made of multiple layers of different things
i would expect it to slump for a considerable length of time, even if it did most of its slumping in the first few years, and may have stable periods, it has the capacity to move until it reaches a stable shape where friction is stronger than gravity

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 20 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

you are looking well on the slave labourer regime but mix and barrow a wall that size would make the incredible hulk wince

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 20 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

We have been here something like six years now and the wall was broken when we got here and if it has moved since, it has not been perceptible.

My joints do take the point on the slave labour front

I guess it does come down to whether I am doing a wholesale retaining wall or a few pier foundations.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 20 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

yep, that the wall seems fairly stable for the last few years is good

2.5m is a big drop for an edge

pro advice on site could start with "could you have a look and give me a price for a formal confirmation of what you tell me over a cuppa(or still product) and plans that folk can understand and enact?"

i have done a few on instinct and a few from plans, all have worked afaik

even two that look the same can be very different

i do feel rather bad about creating a plot very similar to your garden but that one was not my contract beyond put this stuff over there.
at least it is just a slightly wonky bit of tarmac to park 6 cars

50 tons or so of construction spoil did give quite a bit of extra flat before the slope(a bigger/steeper/further uphill slope than your one)

i did pull off that site after a couple of weeks for a lot of good reasons, see concrete remedial wall for the huge gable end and springs through clay that i mentioned above, i did that(and i was very robust about making sure it was done as it had to be done and it was not of my making) and went




your garden has a similar style to that parking area

jema
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 20 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



Will I run out of paths or gravel or membrane first?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 20 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

very nice, the mutt looks pleased

jema
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 20 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



reverse view

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Looks very nice. You have done a lot of work there and must be pleased with what you have achieved.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

that bit is nice,
if you have a few more slabs under the feet of the seats would be good for stability and not spiking through the membrane

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



Getting pretty low on gravel now. But just enough to complete I think.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

looking good, the gravel might be a bit loose at the mo, it will settle naturally with footfall weather etc, a light spreading of sand and watering in with a hose can speed that up quite a bit

a slight aside but there are plants that are really nice in gravel*, looks, smell, not slippery etc
they wear off in the heavy footfall parts and make a nice "carpet" in the untrodden bits

*alpines, some herbs and some dry mountain plants might be options

the advantages of gravel paths and herby lawns in combo have a lot to recommend them for both look/charm, stability and usefulness
never waste a space that can be more productive and pleasant and functional at a small cost in seeds or labour

the right plants will just get on with it

jema
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    



We have some chives in at the end, but generally I like the idea of potted stuff and other bits that can be rearranged to keep things looking fresh.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 20 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

thyme is a good one

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 20 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Smells lovely when you walk on it too, and pretty flowers too.

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