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dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 21 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

after a nasty time being partly dug out of his lock on lazer took an opportunity, pulled out his tube and retreated further into the system, respect

there is no malice from either side underground, surface stuff and trees can get a bit tetchy, especially surface stuff
underground everyone is playing a safe as possible "game", a serious game, but done sportingly, either side could make it very dangeroos but that is not how it is. the mib refused to do it that way decades ago, and we do not do things that way(it would be easier to be the T word by any means necessary, but it is not the way to win the hearts and minds that need winning)
property, obstruction etc is very different to lives
my way is a mix of overt/covert politics, counter intel, overt obstructions and whatever that can be done without harming anyone physically. seems ethical to fight without killing.

quality i do not know him, youngster, but he gets a medal from me for that action.

somehow i forgot to mention another fallen comrade who retired through ill health at an early age and died of natural causes, good chap, ex menwith, who came over to the light side of the force after learning what he was doing.

hi gchq you know this stuff so i dont care

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 21 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ps the ventilation stuff looks good, we had bits of cars and crusty powered energy

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 21 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

lazer and one other have left in exchange for essentials

H2S are still taking the line( )that it is wrong to oppose the money driven destruction they are committing

7 known and unknown comrades are still resisting, probably only a couple of million quid so far but every little helps

in other news this does not freeze much ice with me the linked stuff is relevant

the uk based, forrin owned profits or useful tax losses on a kleptocractic purchases when the plants were bankrupted, the uk bulk steel industry is terminally declining in its old form
tidy made hydrogen does seem to be a decent reduction agent.
who made a nice "donation"? for what may be a short term return or nice bonus before demise

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

This is what my MP says:

Thank you for your email about the Whitehaven coal mine.

Planning decisions are made at the local level, a fundamental and important element of local democracy at the heart of our planning system. Local councillors are elected to represent their communities and it is important that local autonomy is respected as much as possible. The Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government has the power to ‘call-in’ planning applications rather than letting the local authority decide, though this will typically only be done in situations where the application conflicts with national policy in significant ways.

As this is a decision for the Council, you may be interested to read the Executive Director for Economy and Infrastructure's conclusion on the planning application: "I am convinced that there are considerable benefits resulting from the development, not least the potential number of highly skilled jobs on offer and benefit to the UK economy. The project also contributes to the supply of coking coal for the UK steel industry, which is a critical raw material. "Overall, the development and its wider impacts when considered as a whole would currently reduce global [greenhouse gas] emissions as a result of savings made from reduced transportation distances of coal to the steelworks and other emissions being neutral. This would be expected to remain the case until more environmentally friendly methods of steel manufacture and transportation are developed to be commercially viable."

It is worth mentioning that the extracted coal would be used exclusively for steel production rather than energy production. The Government has confirmed its commitment to end unabated coal-power generation from 2025 and is consulting on bringing this date forward to 2024. This would ensure that the deadline for the phase-out of coal from Britain’s energy system is 1 October 2024. I hope that coal-generated energy will soon be a distant memory as the UK builds a greener and more resilient in the aftermath of the Covid-19 pandemic.

With best wishes

John Whittingdale

Rt Hon John Whittingdale OBE MP
Minister of State for Media and Data
Member of Parliament for Maldon

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

umm

coal is out of the energy supply cos the plants are end of life and would cost a lot to replace and run
it is more expensive than renewables and lilibet gets a good bung for owt attached to the seabed etc
my comments re bulk steel above still apply

"well he would say that" also applies

Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Looks like lillbet is going to get another big bung for the new planned off shore wind farms in North Wales.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

i pointed to lillibet's nice little earner, among other things energy related, in a Newsnight interview of "eco activists" (un rehearsed 10 mins to camera)about 2000 or 2001.they wanted praise for blair chucking £100 mil at renewables and i started with my "not even pocket change"direction

" fascinating but we cannot possible broadcast it"

as they would not hand over their goretex so i taxed em for a couple of slabs of special brew


there better media tart performances but that one surprised us on a cold wet evening and we were a bit fierce

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Is the use of hydrogen in steel smelting proven? The only article I could find from about 2 years ago says it was being 'explored'. While it is theoretically possible, and may have been used on small scale, how would it work out in the short term in practice?

The alternative of course is charcoal, which is a renewable resource, but is probably unworkable on the scale of modern steel production. This was used before coke and the main areas of iron production are still heavily wooded.

Something that has come up that is also of interest. Apparently the fast charging electric cars need a rather higher power input than is available at present in most city homes and probably some more rural ones. Our infrastructure is going to need some upgrading before all the potential of electric vehicles etc. is possible on a large scale. Some joined up thinking perhaps?

I must say that I am heartened that finally renewable energy is becoming more common though. I had an early solar cell given to my father by Bell Laboratories in the US about 55 years ago. Rather slow progress.

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 21 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Yes it is proven,and used,but on a Very small scale.

On a large bulk operation its just to expensive to run unless one has vast amounts of cheap ,regular energy,which the UK does not have.

Saudi has cheap run steel works,but it sits on the Bern gas field and utilises the methane.

Shane



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Location: Doha. Is hot.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
The Government has confirmed its commitment to end unabated coal-power generation from 2025 and is consulting on bringing this date forward to 2024. This would ensure that the deadline for the phase-out of coal from Britain’s energy system is 1 October 2024.


Hmm - there's a big difference between ending "unabated coal-power generation" and phasing out coal from Britain's energy system. The two are not the same thing at all.

Nick



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
Yes it is proven,and used,but on a Very small scale.

On a large bulk operation its just to expensive to run unless one has vast amounts of cheap ,regular energy,which the UK does not have.
.


This will come as a shock to anyone living near a tide.

jema
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I always question the idea of "too expensive" what that actually means is that in a capitalist system someone is going it cheaper.
Many industries which were perfectly viable in developing Countries get wiped out once cheap imports arrive
There is this prevailing attitude that we can only solve environmental issues if the solution fits with the capitalist logic that the replacement must be cheaper and more profitable than the current solution.
Some times that kind of plays out, renewable energy for example.
But it's a dangerous rule to work by.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

There are ways, as you say Nick, like tidal power. So far, to the best of my knowledge, tidal and wave power haven't been utilised commercially to any great extent in the UK.

You are right Jema, and in an ideal world, that wouldn't matter. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world, and people as a minimum, need what they need at a price they think they can afford. If another country is producing something more cheaply by using some other form of energy, then importing it, all be it using nasty dirty oil powered ships, then it will be imported.

At last, renewable energy is being produced to an extent that makes it a viable energy source for most things, all be it that there are still 'storage' problems. Until there is a way of storing that energy that is convenient and reliable, at a reasonable cost, it won't be viable to use it to fully convert something like iron smelting to renewable electricity and hydrogen reduction.

While we, as DS, may be willing and able to make or buy hand crafted things with minimal energy input, most people aren't I am afraid.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Nick wrote:
Ty Gwyn wrote:
Yes it is proven,and used,but on a Very small scale.

On a large bulk operation its just to expensive to run unless one has vast amounts of cheap ,regular energy,which the UK does not have.
.


This will come as a shock to anyone living near a tide.


like south wales for instance, i know the second biggest on the planet quite well

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 21 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I`m afraid it will be Ta Ta before that happens.

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