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dpack

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 24 12:34 pm Post subject:

best part of 50 yrs a river i know well has gone from cat 5 = dead in any good way, via cat 1 to 2= not pristine wilderness but a healthy ecosystem with a bottom to top food chain with heron, kingfisher, brown trout or grayling at the top depending on the oxygenation from the shape and flow and the local ecosystem

and back to cat 5 dead from a combo of unregulated chem peeps having "incidents", assorted one off "private" misdemeanours and systematic discharges as that is cheaper than providing the sewerage services in the contract they have with the citizens
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other aquatic issues

re "well meaning" but not like that
2 mink* a mile did not help my well known river,

but it was healthy enough to support them and retain a full range aquatic ecosystem, although that was not "natural" after 150 years of human challenges

if i ever find out who "liberated" 9000 of the fluffy monsters, they have a problem

during the last few years of mink farm licences and objections to the trade, i was part of the anti mink thing to ensure no fool turned any loose
the wpc trying to be "nice" while we all had lunch, was quite surprised that cute and fluffy was not on my agenda, no vermin by any means was not the reasoning she had been briefed for

not on my watch, those things are ok in the middle of arboreal wetland wilderness a long way away, anywhere else they are usually dangeroos vermin
hey ho, the pollution will kill their food, which should thin them out,
i should have got a few hats when i could

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16508

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 24 8:40 am Post subject:

Mink are vicious things. Some people from the animal management course in the next building to the forestry course our son was on at college did work experience at a wildlife park where they had mink in a secure house. The house had two parts so the mink could be isolated in one part while the other was cleaned. They were warned to always make sure all the mink were isolated before opening as they would bite badly as soon as look at you. Letting mink out was an ecological disaster, and shows what damage well meaning but uninformed idiots can do.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 29, 24 6:18 pm Post subject:
i would rather share trout and grayling and ignore the duck genocide than see a river that had been made almost clean an open sewer again otters and beavers have no tolerance of mink, far less smelly and bitey as well we are stuck with some mink, few might fit into the ecosystem many do not its hat time if you know of any

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 24 8:16 am Post subject:
No water near us, so no mink to the best of my knowledge. Agree, we have gone backwards on pollution as well as other things.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 24 2:34 pm Post subject:

wye

if they are improving matters why is the wye declining?

the motives of wwf quietly dropping that report and tesco sponsoring "cute" projects could be open to several interpretations, some less than charitable options are on the list

in other river news, the Test is almost entirely degraded, including some serious one off incidents as well as the SW systemic sewage discharges which include the Test but cover many rivers and beaches

dpack

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 24 2:30 am Post subject:
the organizers are advising to wash yer face when there are straw boaters on the river Last edited by dpack on Wed Mar 27, 24 2:48 am; edited 1 time in total

dpack

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 24 2:47 am Post subject:

considering my advice to a random group of scouting canoeists exiting the local river was"time for tea, buns and broad spectrum antibiotics"

and

our local citizen scientists have found coliforms and worse in the river and in the flood mud, which is extensive from the river and also from becks, drains etc, neither a stroll with the mutt(see local vet anecdotes etc) nor water based activities are biologically "safe"

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 6709
Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Thu May 09, 24 9:55 pm Post subject:
Betcha good money this is PFAS related: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c043yl5vn0ro

dpack

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Posted: Fri May 10, 24 6:44 am Post subject:
it does have the look of fire truck foam, could be a variety of stuff , the aquatic wildlife will be seriously reduced whatever it was the local obvious is multiple sewage facilities conducting discharges in several upstream catchments with towns and villages, at an informed guess the load is further forced by the other catchments that join this one before they mess up the sea

dpack

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Posted: Wed May 15, 24 5:03 am Post subject:
i floated neither lonely nor a cloud

dpack

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Posted: Mon May 20, 24 10:00 am Post subject:
dante had some special plans for such folk

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Tue May 21, 24 7:30 am Post subject:

Ofwat has made some bizarre decisions over the years. Our water supply has always come from a private company that hasn't been involved in all this mess and has always been pretty good. They planned to build a new reservoir in the 1960s and purchased the land ahead of what they saw as a lot of new houses in the area. Ofwat told them they couldn't build it until they had solved their leak problem, which isn't particularly bad, and is always dealt with promptly and well. The reservoir is finally being built now after several thousand houses have been built with several thousand more planned.

On the other hand, our sewage supplier hasn't had such a good record and has got involved in this mess. Selling shares and lumbering the company with debts seems to be the main problem and Ofwat haven't, as stated in the article, done much about that.

dpack

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Posted: Wed May 28, 25 9:03 am Post subject:
thames crims a start, yorkshire should be up for similar rewards, ditto most of the others i would just take what infrastructure is left with no compensation in exchange for not going after individuals at board, shareholder and functionary levels and bankrupting them while we are at it there are quite a few other polluters that need stopping by whatever means required

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Thu May 29, 25 7:07 am Post subject:

I think it was the way that these were set up and allowed to profit in the past. Sadly the money has gone and will be hard to get back from the 10th person back or whoever. Some of the investors in these companies are pension schemes, who should never have been allowed or encouraged to invest in such things. A total mess.

Overall I agree the utilities should be renationalised. I remember before privatisation, so having seen both, nationalised works better, but only with the right political will and inverstment.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sat May 31, 25 1:34 pm Post subject:
a start, plenty more where that came from no personal animosity to any staff member, vicious hatred of the firm who have reversed decades of river regeneration for profit if it was not critical infrastructure .....

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