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Bodger



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I don't know if it still does this, but didn't Cheale meats use to advertise for all the old and knackered sows ? I'm sure that they didn't actually use that Phraseology but if my memory serves me well, that in essence is what they actually did.
Buying in this sort of creature from all over the country has surely got to mean that if there is a risk then they are in the firing line for all and any bugs that are going around !

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Debby Reynolds, Chief Veterinary Officer said;

“Late yesterday evening a suspect disease was reported to the State Veterinary Service in pigs at a slaughterhouse in Essex. Samples were taken and submitted to the Institute for Animal Health for testing. Initial laboratory results this morning are negative for both Foot and Mouth Disease and Swine Vesicular Disease. Further test results are expected later today.

“In accordance with Defra's contingency plan, last night restrictions were placed on the slaughterhouse and farm where the pigs originated from. A 8km radius temporary zone preventing the movement of pigs, cattle and other ruminants was also put in place surrounding the slaughterhouse. Restrictions will remain in place pending further laboratory test results.”

@Calli



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

AI has been found in pigs ( Estern block?) my OH tells me.....

Tensing



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Lets hope its just somebody being a little over carefull.

gil
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Am I imagining it, or were Cheale meats not involved in the 2001 FMD outbreak ? (and in the light of the description of their actviities)

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/21/newsid_2519000/2519703.stm

gil
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I rather thought so.

mochyn



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 06 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A Mr Cheale was on the World at One, complaining that the vet had gone off half-cock, and such a scare would damage the industry.

Personally, I'd rather any outbreak was discovered as soon as possible to minimize the threat to other livestock. The thought of having to see my girls slaughtered and burnt is horrific, and the devastation that would follow around here (again) is not to be thought about.

Suzie



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Essex radio news this morning reported that all restrictions around Cheale abbatoir have been lifted as all tests proved negative.
Suzie

gil
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Glad to hear it

moonwind



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Does that mean Cheale meats are now in the clear or are they still they Devil incarnate?

Sorry, it just made me smile that people are in an instant ready to "jump" on the person or place where "something" happens (or does not happen as in this case.

It seems to be a human peculiarity of which we are all guilty of from time to time.

Why do you think it is that we need something to kick and someone to blame imediately something happens, or even before something happens, rather than wait until some facts come out?

Not knocking anyone here, but it is just an interesting thing that we seem to do as humans.

In the case of the above, I would guess feelings would be driven by fear, especially from anyone who was dorectly or indirectly affected by happenings of the last FMD outbreak

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

with fmd etc we should take no chances ,it would seem the inspectors did a fine job in checking a potential problem and clearing things up rapidly .

moonwind



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
with fmd etc we should take no chances ,it would seem the inspectors did a fine job in checking a potential problem and clearing things up rapidly .


I agree absolutely, it was just that we, as humans, seem to want to blame or demonise someone or something before the facts are out, rather than just (in this case) shudder inwardly and pray that a negative would come out of this.

Just interested in why we do it, we all do but what makes us do it?

Fear? Bitchiness? Self righteousness? why? We're funny creatures us humans

gil
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 06 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Not that the company is 'the devil incarnate', but that

a) FMD spreads very rapidly in pigs (more so than in cattle or sheep), at least partly because pigs tend to be kept at closer quarters to each other, and this abattoir in this location does slaughter a lot of pigs. In other parts of the country, abattoirs do mainly sheep and cattle (e.g. round here, which is not a pig-rearing area).

b) policy of sourcing animals (in this case, pigs) for slaughter from a wide area and in large numbers (and number of batches) increases possibility of spread if disease were to be present in the pig population. This is increased if it is thought that the buyer is prepared to accept old/sick pigs - they become a dumping ground..

The same issue re facilitation of spread obtains with livestock marts which trade in breeding stock brought from and later dispersed to wide areas of the country.

c) depends where the lairage (overnight or temporary holding area prior to slaughter) for the abatttoir / mart is in relation to neighbouring farmland / livestock pasture, i.e. is it contiguous ? One would hope that this at least was one lesson learned from 2001.

It is also the case that stock going to abattoir or mart is more likely to be vet-inspected than stock on-farm, so that any suspicious signs are investigated earlier and more often.

And yes, I did lose my breeding flock in 2001, but that doesn't mean I have a knee-jerk reaction against a particular company. I'd be more concerned that their practices in general might not have been reviewed and amended if neceessary since then, as I know of a number of instances in which subsequent practice has intensified risk factors for the spread of disease .

mochyn



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 06 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

And I wasn't cross with Mr Cheale for owning the abbatoir where the 'outbreak' was found, it was just his attitude: damaging to my business, etc. He came over as being selfish. It may just have been an unfortunate sound-bite, though.

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