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tai haku

Joined: 17 Apr 2011
Posts: 472

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 15 1:20 pm Post subject: Perennial Alliums

Hi all,
I'm reading up on perennial Alliums as I'd like to use some of these in a few places to underplant in the orchard and also fill in some gaps elsewhere in the non-wild garden. In terms of what I'm looking at so far:

Chives and Garlic Chives I already have nice plants of both - the chives in particular have set huge amounts of seed and are ready for division so I hope to grow out some big clumps and introduce them - There are a few wild (well naturalised) clumps growing in one of the verges already.

three-cornered leek is already everywhere on the island - I'm not planning to give it any more help

welsh/bunching onion I have some nicely developing plants of Ishikura and Kyoto Market (both of these are the Real Seeds strains) and I recently ordered these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271259093195 which look like more of a traditional "welsh" onion type.

perennial leek
I recently ordered these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271259093230 from the same seller as the welsh onions above. I've no idea what species they are or anything and am primarily just intrigued to see what I will get. I'm also planning to grow the gigantic Babbington's leek. This is a not uncommon plant on our coastline and I'm hopeful of locating a couple of colonies on waste ground up for reuse to relocate.

I'm not (unless someone here suggests otherwise) too interested in topsetting onions as I don't think they'd fit my intentions space-wise.

I'd be keen to hear if anyone has either experience growing or a UK source for sensibly priced seed or bulbs of:
- Rakkyo (Allium chinense)
- Perennial Leek (Oepri, Perlzwiebel) (Allium ampeloprasum) (this one seems relatively widely available in the US but not over here).
- Kurrat (allium ampeloprasum)
- Minogue Onions (some sort of perennial onion made available from the HSL)

Also any thoughts on the above or experience anyone has with:
- particular varieties or colour morphs of chives,
- red or other interesting welsh onions, or
- anything else alli-yummy
would be really welcomed

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 15 2:50 pm Post subject:
Not heard of any of those! I can source an amazing number of things through specialist facebook groups if you're on there, this might fit the bill. I only have the walking onions, which so far are indestructible at least!

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 15 3:03 pm Post subject:
Do you have wild garlic / ramsons?

tai haku

Joined: 17 Apr 2011
Posts: 472

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 15 8:29 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Do you have wild garlic / ramsons?

No. I'm not sure I have the conditions for it tbh but also we don't seem to have any on the island and I'm a little nervous about introducing it and it being invasive (sort of damned either way).

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45723
Location: Essex

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 15 8:40 pm Post subject:

tai haku wrote:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Do you have wild garlic / ramsons?

No. I'm not sure I have the conditions for it tbh but also we don't seem to have any on the island and I'm a little nervous about introducing it and it being invasive (sort of damned either way).

I was thinking that myself, but I guess you run the risk with any perennial

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16534

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 15 7:17 am Post subject:

If you don't have wild garlic on the island I wouldn't introduce it. We have it in the woods and it can be invasive as well as dominant under the right conditions. In the coup we cut 2 years ago it was pretty wall to wall wild garlic with the odd bluebell and early purple orchid. Now it has had a year with very little cover we have an amazing range of plants in there including wheat (it sticks out into a field) and twayblade. The wild garlic is still there but the other plants have had a chance to grow now it is lighter. As the canopy closes again I expect the wild garlic will predominate again.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 15 7:21 pm Post subject:
https://www.biodiverseed.com/post/110084934738/we-are-almost-halfway-there-in-raising-the-funds Might be worth digging around a bit?

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