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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 16165
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 25 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I agree Nicky, We may use our car more than you do, but we tend to use it only 2-3 days a week, sometimes less. I go shopping/delivering one day and perhaps do about 30 miles total. If we go out at the weekend, it may be another 15 miles total or 100 miles. This month we have done rather a lot as we had two coppice group meetings the other side of the county, but then last week we just did about 45-50 miles total. Not sure how an EV would cope with that, because I haven't looked it up, but we compromised and got a hybrid. Then again there are two types; plug in and ordinary. As we weren't ready to go for the electricity plug in point, we went for the ordinary. It suits us, but wouldn't suit everyone.
Another point to be aware of is that the 10% alcohol petrol shouldn't be left standing too long as it absorbs moisture. If you don't use your car much I would suggest not filling it completely so you use the petrol within a month or two.
Yes, Tahir I agree we have to get away from ICE cars, but can understand why some people who have very low milage and not much money are rather worried about making a very large investment. We are fortunate we were able to change our car and go towards electric, if not the whole hog, but a matter of a new car is a very big chunk of savings or having to get a finance deal for most people. |
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9908 Location: Devon, uk
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jema Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 28254 Location: escaped from Swindon
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Slim
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 6647 Location: New England (In the US of A)
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gz
Joined: 23 Jan 2009 Posts: 9001 Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 16165
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 25 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Yes, very well put Slim. It is very hard to get the sort of car you want these days. We want an UV, not an SUV, but we have had to compromise. The SUV isn't anything like as good for our work as a UV. We had a lot of trouble getting an estate car, but it is what we need, and the new one isn't as good as the old one, but isn't too bad as far as carrying is concerned. In both cases we needed to change as the old ones were getting very expensive to maintain, but as you said, if you can't afford a new car, you can't afford one. |
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9908 Location: Devon, uk
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 25 9:54 am Post subject: |
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I think we have to factor in that people who are buying new or nearly new EVs are usually selling their ICE cars to partly finance it. Someone has to want to use those ICE cars for this progression.
I think also that one size does not fit all. So high mileage users would win if they switched to EV - assuming they have the ability to charge at home., even more so if they have solar panels. But what about lower mileage users?
The average EV owner is high income, multiple car household, usually with an ICE car as backup, who owns their own home - this isn't the average person in the UK.
If we want to make progress, work has to be done to make it more workable for the other car drivers.
I think a phased ban could make sense - perhaps targeting geographical areas that have infrastructure, or maybe homeowners with parking, or perhaps a category/size of car. i don't know, but as I said one size doesn't fit all.
For the record, I would like to get an EV, but my motivation is environmental (and if I am honest, I hate filling up with petrol, charging at home seems easier so that would be a side bonus) and I cannot afford to make a mistake financially or environmentally. And, environmentally, as a low user I feel it probably makes more sense to continue to run my car until it dies. I'm using the time to ask questions and attempt to become informed, and also question if I should spend my limited funds in other areas.
(edited for typos)
Last edited by Nicky cigreen on Fri Mar 14, 25 4:51 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46434 Location: yes
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dpack
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 15464 Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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dpack
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Hairyloon
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 15464 Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46434 Location: yes
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Mistress Rose
Joined: 21 Jul 2011 Posts: 16165
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 25 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Hairyloon, methane and propane can be made by biodegrading, but most of that is used where it is made; often to power farms and such like. I don't think that using 'rubbish' would produce enough for a reliable alternative to power vehicles or much else, even if all rubbish of all sorts was used. Unfortunately we are already using crops to power digestiors in some cases, which isn't a good use of the crop, unless the edible part is removed first.
Producing electricity by sustainable means, which could include digestors, is I think, the best way forward, particularly if home solar or wind can be used to charge cars, and home batteries for other uses. There are losses in any grid; gas or electricity, but they are a good way of circulating the power to where it is needed. |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 46434 Location: yes
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