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cab



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Sulphur or vinegar should do the trick.


While vinegar is acid, it's only a weak acid, and acetic acid will break down quite quickly. Have you used vinegar to lower soil pH? Did it last?

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Just planted my blueberries, I'm going to be adding vinegar weekly, not the ideal solution I know but I wanted blueberries....

There are varieties that are more tolerant of less acid soils have a look here:

https://www.dorset-blueberry.com/index.asp

Try and buy elsewhere though because they're double dear.

Northern_Lad



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

What sort of PH will the burnt wood dust (can't think of the proper term) from my little stove be?

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Slightly alkaline I believe

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Northern_Lad wrote:
What sort of PH will the burnt wood dust (can't think of the proper term) from my little stove be?


It'll be alkaline, it's quite quick to turn soil more basic (to raise the pH).

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Northern_Lad wrote:
(can't think of the proper term)


Ash?

Northern_Lad



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

So what would that be good for then? I was hoping it would be on the acidic side as I've got some blueberries on the way too.

Northern_Lad



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Northern_Lad wrote:
(can't think of the proper term)


Ash?


That'll do nicely, thanks. Having problems with, with, things; you know, bigger than letters, smaller than sentences....words! That's it - can't remember them at all today.

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Northern_Lad wrote:
So what would that be good for then? I was hoping it would be on the acidic side as I've got some blueberries on the way too.


It's handy for brassicas, and for raising the pH for all manner of things if you've got a problem with low pH. You'd use it, say, on a bed in autumn at the end of the season, where you're planning on putting brassicas next year. Essentially, if your soil pH is below 6.5, it's a handy addition.

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Wonder if a good helping of citrus peel incorporated in the compost would help?

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I am under the impression(or possibly delusion) that leaf mould is very acidic and if added in copious quantities will make your bath more acidic. It seems to ring true as i know that rhododendrons are acid loving shrubs and are always found deep in leaf pould growing in the wild. i would check this out re leaf mould rather than taking my word for it tho-don't want to be responsible for any accidents!

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
Wonder if a good helping of citrus peel incorporated in the compost would help?


I'd have thought so. Really, though, there's less of a problem with compost being acidic (that's easy) tham with soil. A chalky, limy soi has a high buffering capacity, so changing its pH is a bit trickier than you might imagine. Sulfur works well, I believe.

cab



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Bernie66 wrote:
I am under the impression(or possibly delusion) that leaf mould is very acidic and if added in copious quantities will make your bath more acidic. It seems to ring true as i know that rhododendrons are acid loving shrubs and are always found deep in leaf pould growing in the wild. i would check this out re leaf mould rather than taking my word for it tho-don't want to be responsible for any accidents!


A nice idea (if it's true, sounds about right) with only one minor drawback. I haven't got copious quantities of leaf mold

Bernie66



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

try bark, especially pine bark. That is supposed to give similar, if slower results

wellington womble



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 05 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Tea bags. Have to find a cafe or something, and get job lots off them (or drink a lot of tea!)

You can buy acidizers (or something like that), but we don't like to buy things! You could look at the ingredients, its probably just acetic acid or something. HDRA sell one if you wantd to admit defeat!

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